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Monday, November 16, 2009
The Belichick Gamble
As is expected, Bill Belichick is being widely criticized for his decision to go for it on 4th and 2 on his own 28 with a 34-28 lead and roughly 2 minutes left against the Colts Sunday night.
I actually didn't think this was that bad of a decision, had the Patriots played differently after the play came up short.
If you get it, you win. If you don't get it, then you basically allow the Colts to score a touchdown too quickly, get the ball back, and try a field goal to win it.
They had a chance for this to happen with about a minute left, when they decided to tackle Joseph Addai one yard short of the end zone just before the winning TD to Reggie Wayne. Had they allowed Addai to score there, then the Colts would not have run off more time before finally making the winning play.
We've always heard of the idea of allowing the opposition to score to get the ball back with time on the clock (I've never seen it), and this was the perfect time to do it. And I thought they were going to allow Addai to score on that play. It looked like half the defenders were thinking that, but the other half didn't get the message.
Whenever a decision such as Belichick's last night occurs, and it doesn't work, then the idea must be, "What is our best chance to win now?" rather than "We should have punted." Once it didn't work, Belichick should have said, "OK, make it look as good as you can, but let them score, unless Manning throws a gift-wrapped ball your way."
Then you put the ball in the hands of Brady, and I'm sure he could get the yards required to put them in position for a field goal.
I think people might be too hard on Belichick considering he just saw Manning carve up his defense in 2 minutes on the previous drive. A punt would have put the Colts around the 25-30 yard line depending on the kind of return, and with 2 minutes and a timeout he could have easily gotten them back to that same spot in no time.
So, the bad decision to me was not going for it on 4th down, but not allowing the TD earlier. Because you knew that was going to happen anyway, so give yourself a chance to win.
7 Comments:
- At 11/16/2009 01:23:00 PM, Mike said...
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At the end of the Jets-Jags game, the Jets tried to allow the Jags to score with over a minute to play, only to be outsmarted by Maurice Jones-Drew taking a knee at the one. Just like Westbrook a couple years back, except that the defense was trying to stop Brian.
NFL RedZone rules! I saw it live. - At 11/16/2009 02:47:00 PM, Chris said...
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The Pats still could have tried this on the ensuing play, and bought themselves more time. The onus is on the Colts to score a TD there. They can't just keep intentionally missing the end zone.
You have to hope the runner is not clever enough to think of MJD's tactic earlier in the day. - At 11/16/2009 03:09:00 PM, rakeback said...
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Great coach/terrible call. Whether the play succeeded or not, you just cant go for it on 4th down on your own 28 yard line with a 6 point lead this late in the game. Make the Colts go 80 yards to beat you.
- At 11/16/2009 03:17:00 PM, Kennelworthy said...
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I agree with this rakeback person.
- At 11/16/2009 03:23:00 PM, Chris said...
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I still think Belichick felt it was inevitable the Colts were going to score with 2 minutes left, and he thought that if he went for it and missed, there would be enough time on the clock to go for a field goal.
If he punts, and the Colts score going the length of the field, then there definitely would have been no time left.
This isn't an opinion on whether he made the right or wrong call, it's just what I believe he was thinking. - At 11/16/2009 03:46:00 PM, Kennelworthy said...
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I'm willing to buy that you're explanation of his logic is possible. But it just doesn't sound like Belichick to me. To assume his defense can't stop a team they'd stopped a ton already that game... just seems defeatist. He doesn't strike me as a guy to just give in like that and put 7 points on the board for the opponent before they're actually scored.
That being said... he is a numbers guy. Maybe the analytical side of him said this was the best shot. I'm willing to buy that.
But I can't separate myself from my Colts-fandom. I can't believe it was an entirely scientific decision. I've seen him run up the score on many teams just to flex his muscles (especially during that season when Brady broke the TDs-in-a-season record, I mean come on!), I've seen him go for it on fourth just like this (though not as far deep in his own zone) many times.
He doesn't want to win, he wants to choke the life out of anyone who would dare suggest he might lose.
But, as I said, I'm a Colts homer. I might be the tiniest bit biased. - At 12/17/2009 06:54:00 AM, Online Casino said...
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nice blog but you have to hope the runner is not clever enough to think of MJD's tactic earlier in the day.
Monday, February 04, 2008
Super Bowl Thoughts, Notes, Suggestions, and WhatHaveYou
-I wrote all this at work today. Not really that much to do...
-It was like the Pats were never really into it. Brady was never under that kind of pressure this year, the Giants D looked fantastic because of it. When the Pats started to get those breaks that they always seemed to get this year, like the interception that fell into that guys hands, they wouldn't let them capitalize. I thought that was it, they were going to make it 14-3, and it never happened. Brady wasn't really on when he wasn't being pressured, with several passes thrown behind his receivers. It was strange from front to back, but it only made it a better game. We'll be talking about this for a long time.
-A theory; Billy B. took the life out of them. He was looking harder and harder throughout the year, admittedly from a distance, but a coach can do that. In the end he just looked soulless, too hard. I don't hate him for that, because you have to be a different kind of person to be an NFL coach, but I think it worked against him yesterday.
-That play that Manning made? You'll be seeing it when you're 80, over and over again.
-The Patriots cheat... and so do many other teams in the league, and quite a few players as well. And, in reality, the NFL doesn't care as long as it doesn't affect their image. That's why they destroyed the tapes, that's why they haven't investigated the Panthers using HGH before the Super Bowl a few years ago, and that's why their drug testing is a joke. Why would they do any different? The NFL as a whole is valued in the billions of dollars now, and no federal laws that they break will cost them as much as a substantial hit to their image could. There's too much money involved in sports now for it NOT to happen. And the media doesn't care, because the last thing they'd want is to kill the entertainment that so many read about in their pages. And who else is there to call them out on anything?
At this point, I think of it as a couple of notches above the WWF, but much more entertaining. I can't help but think that the NFL is going to receive its comeuppance at some point, but don't know when. I'll say it again; if there were a Mitchell report for the NFL, the league would have to shut down for a year. Doesn't that temper your enthusiasm for the league, even a bit?
-All those people surrounding the Petty stage - where do they come from? Do they just stay under the stadium in some enclosed place? Are they forced to leave the stadium when the halftime show is over? Do they watch on a big screen in some remote place? Do you get in by knowing someone, or by being attractive, or young, or what?
-I wish the half-time show weren't so long - I think it affects the players, and I'm not in favor of that.
-I'm thrilled that there is a dominant team in the NFL. For years I was afraid that there never would be another one, that every team would slowly fall to the mean, and that I'd never see another great team again. For the first ten weeks of the season, the Pats were a great team, and I was happy, even thrilled. Finally a team to compare to the 49ers and Cowboys of the 80's (for fear of my life, I kept this opinion to myself)! Yes, I want emotion in sports, and no, I don't want the same teams to win every year, but I also crave greatness, something to watch and be amazed by, something to give high praise to. And for a while we had it, and it was great fun. So maybe this salary cap thing does work, huh? The best teams have the least egos, and intelligence is desired in coaches. This is very interesting to me.
-So, in European sports, regardless of the sport, it is completely free market, and the biggest teams only get bigger as bandwagon fans become permanent; there is never a prolonged period of losing to kill them off! Soon it becomes very hard for other teams to compete. This means that, in Spain, not only are Barcelona and Real Madrid the two biggest soccer teams in the country, they are also the two biggest basketball teams in the country, by far, and could do the same in other sports if they wanted, making the Yankees dominance look pitiful. This would never fly in this country, and I'm glad for it.
-One thing I do like about European sports is promotion and relegation, where the worst teams are sent down to a lower division, and the best teams are promoted to a higher one. So, maybe that combined with a salary cap, and we could have some fantastically entertaining leagues. Oh well, I can dream, I guess.
-I like this.
-I once went undefeated in Tecmo Super Bowl using the Bucs, back when they were horrible. It was my only perfect season. I think I should be proud of that.
-Here's the thing about a mediocre team getting hot and winning the title; their goodness will be over-estimated for a long time. New York fans - and they are legion - will continue to bring them up, speaking about what a magical team they are, when they really just got hot for a couple of months, if that. Like the Bears, I bet they don't make the playoffs next year. If they were in the AFC, they wouldn't have made it in this year.
-And yes, as you may have expected me to say, please don't tell me the Giants are the best team in the NFL. They aren't. Please direct all hatred and slander towards the comments section.
Labels: Giants, Patriots, playoffs, Super Bowl XLII
Sunday, February 03, 2008
The Giants Have Done It
This NFL season definitely fails the Mike test for "What should decide our champion?" because the New York Giants have beaten the New England Patriots 17-14, ending the Patriots' perfect season at 18-1. Imagine that. You lose one game all year and it's the freaking Super Bowl. Historic doesn't even begin to touch it.
Not only did the best team all year not win, but they had to win it against a team they had already beaten. For awhile, I watched this thinking, "Well, the Patriots never win pretty but they always find a way...somehow..." and miraculously they didn't.
I wish I could say I was at a New York bar tonight experiencing the celebration, but I decided to watch this from the safety of my own home. But I know the city erupted on this win tonight and this will go down as legendary, probably sweeter than the Parcells-era Super Bowls. I really became a Giants fan during all this...and that fandom will, in a funny way, probably all end when the next season begins.
What a hell of a catch by David Tyree on that last drive...he should be the MVP, no doubt.
Biggest upset ever. Classic Super Bowl. What fun.
Labels: Giants, Patriots, Super Bowl XLII
Monday, January 21, 2008
SB XLII
I've got a bad feeling about this one. Watched the game with George yesterday, and I'm not thinking this is gonna be pretty. The New York media will talk themselves into it, but, man, it could get real ugly real quick. Watching the first game, even with a lifeless Pats team that seemed to be going through the motions, they still found a way to stop the Chargers every time in the red zone. They HAD to score a TD to win that game, they knew they had to, and they couldn't.
The second game seemed like just mistake after mistake, with the least worst team winning. How can that Giants team I watched yesterday put it together, especially with a Pats team that I fele will be motivated again, with two weeks of game planning and rest behind them? I feel a late 80's SB thrashing coming on again, and a sorry way to end our football for the year. Oh well.
1 Comments:
- At 1/21/2008 04:38:00 PM, Chris said...
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Yeah, but both these teams played a 38-35 game just four weeks ago, one that the Giants were ahead for most of the game. And there's got to be something said (concerning Packers-Giants) about playing in negative-degree temperature the whole game. I mean, it was a whole lot prettier than you might imagine. It wasn't a 6-3 game.
Unfortunately, the Super Bowl spectacle often ruins true competition--that two week layoff, no one has home field advantage, the crowd is a bunch of just-happy-to-be-here spectators. Seriously, it's time to see a Super Bowl at the team with the best record's home field. Which will never happen.
Sunday, January 13, 2008
Belichick is a Genius, Haven't You Heard?
Someone on one of the radio stations a few weeks back brought up a great point about Bill Belichick. And this, of course, has been brought up before but it doesn't get nearly enough play: He was a head coach once of the Cleveland Browns, and went 36-44 over five seasons. Hardly someone you could call a genius, at least then. And then, in 2001, after Belichick's first season in which he went 5-11, Drew Bledsoe gets hurt and then enter Tom Brady, and all of the sudden the Patriots started winning Super Bowls.
The point is, as we all know, it takes great personnel to win games. There are probably some coaches out there that could take this current 17-0 Patriots and lose more ballgames than Belichick, but I almost guarantee those same coaches would be in the playoffs anyway. And when you have guys like Corey Dillon a few years ago and Randy Moss this year willing to play for less on a team that is already good, becoming a genius is so much easier.
I heard this usual overwhelming praise for Belichick a lot yesterday, as if people can't say enough how incredible he is. He could not take over the Miami Dolphins tomorrow and make them the same team as the Patriots. However, there is a sort of domino effect to his perceived reputation, and that is players will want to play for him now that he's won so much. And maybe he could take the hypothetical Dolphins to a Super Bowl in a few years, but it would be because he has people on the field that can execute.
Also, I really like Tom Brady. I've always thought he was a great field commander, because he efficiently ran a game without major stars. And we now see what he can do when he has at least one. But we can no longer compare him to Peyton Manning and say one is better than the other. They are both as excellent as you can possibly be. If you had a choice between the two, you can't lose. I'm sure there will be lots of wasted time trying to decide who's better long after they retire. Belichick is lucky to have one of them.
Labels: Bill Belichick, Patriots, Tom Brady


10 Comments:
When I run my own numbers, it comes out pretty even, so I think, in theory, it's not a bad call either way. If you feel confident in Brady, do it. But, this isn't theory, and you're going to get killed if it doesn't work out. Most people aren't reading Football Outsiders, and aren't thinking of these percentages; they're just remembering how it's always been done. Going against Orthodoxy and failing is a good way to get killed, if only metaphorically in this case.
So, if you're playing this on Madden, or if it's a meaningless game, I think it's likely the right call. But, not here, not with these emotions.
And yes, as with any emotion, a more informed public could lead to more informed emotions, and this call being more accepted in ten years. It would take that long at least for anything like that to be accepted.
And maybe in time we can stop seeing punts on 4th and 1 at the opponents 32. Statistically horrible. I HATE those.
Well... I have always wondered why some brave NFL coach doesn't essentially eschew punting altogether, like I've read a couple high school coaches have done to some success.
I just feel like if you think going for it in the Pats/Colts instance was a good idea, then you should maybe consider firing your punter altogether.
Bring up the dreaded "momentum" argument if you want... but the Pats defense had routinely stopped the Colts offense all game long. There were several three and outs and the Colts punted more than any game in recent memory. Why would you not take a shot at stopping them again... I guess it's because the Colts had scored the last two drives and looked hot. But something tells me a guy like Belichick is more of a numbers/odds guy than a "emotion" or "momentum" guy.
I'm willing to listen to the argument that the math isn't so bad on his decision... but I swear to you it was not about math... it was a large-scale pissing contest. "I'm going to get it here and stomp on you."
If they had converted, everyone would be praising them--that alone should tell you it's not as bad a decision as you're being made to think it was.
But it was completely against conventional wisdom. I have to believe that if there was solid math to back up the idea of punting less or not at all... then someone would be doing it.
It doesn't make Belichick's decision outright bad, but it's not exactly smart either.
It's conceivable Belichick was going for the win in a pissing contest. Hell, he thought it was a good idea for Brady to play in the 2nd Half of a 45-0 game earlier this year. He's an asshole.
However, the dynamics of a game are different in the present time of a game versus every other moment in the game. Just because the Pats defense had two gift INTs and shut the Colts down on three-and-outs previously doesn't really mean anything. Conversely, I can't say just because Manning had orchestrated some very quick scores in the 4th Quarter that he was definitely going to do it again.
I can say, it's obvious, that the teams with great offenses and awesome QBs (that might be redundant to say) are more likely to plow serious yardage in the final 2 minutes than not. We always stand in amazement when a terrific QB orchestrates yet another comeback when it seemed the offense was lying dormant the entire game. I think it has a lot to do with how defenses are allowed to prepare in those moments.
How many times do we see the no-huddle rip defenses apart? Especially when you have Manning (and Wayne, Clark, et al). The only reason you don't see it all the time is that your offense would be a tired mess if they did it the whole game.
I say if the Pats punted, the Colts would have been back at the Pats' 30 within one minute and that would have left a minute to charge down the field. The Colts may not have had the luxury of running, but I think that was an effort to kill clock anyway.
First of all, I made my notes without realizing anyone else had written anything. Just so you know.
Just to make a point, there is solid math to say that punting should be more rare, but should still be used in many situations. Like that 4th and 1 should be attempted far more often, but that going against the CW isn't worth it for the hit on a coach's career. So I basically disagree that if something is correct, everybody would be doing it. I mean, there was a New Kids on the Block reunion last year. Logic prevents that.
I really love commentary that assumed if he'd punted they would have won. Like he couldn't have driven them 70 yards. He likely would have. No huddle is awesome and should be used more often by great teams.
And Belichick likely was somewhat in a pissing contest. He's a touch autistic to the point of genius, but which also means he can be vendictive, arrogant, and over-reliant on math over emotion, as Chris says. I think he needed more balance here.
So, it's often takes being an asshole to be brilliant. I don't like humans much.
The new kids on the block line was pretty brilliant.
And yeah, I'm not suggesting no one should ever punt again. I'm just saying that if you buy the logic of Belichick's move in that circumstance... then there are a hell of a lot of circumstances when you should also believe punting is not correct.
And I hate humans too. We can at least agree on that.
I still think there might be a fallacy in thinking that the situation was mere Belichick Dickery (Dock?).
In other words, if he does it here, and not anywhere else in the game, then it's pure ego and trying to stick it to the other guy. Note: I think Belichick does this regularly, so it's not out of the realm of possibility.
But I think it's far more likely he does this to be a dick in a game that he's leading 51-6 than in a game that could be lost if he gambles incorrectly. It would be far more dickish to go for it on 4th down in a game like that than in this last one.
And the game situation dictates a tough decision there. Earlier in the game, you could trust your defense to make stops, and your offense to put more points on the board. Not so in the last 5 minutes of this game, when the no-huddle was tearing the Pats apart.
If the argument is that the Pats defense has been "making stops all game" then they should be able to make stops at any moment. The Colts still need to score a touchdown, and with the back of the end zone working as an extremely huge 12th man, it's as good a spot to be in as any other.
Does anyone agree with me that if the Colts started at their own 30, they would have been back at the Pats 30 within at least a minute? The argument then would be that well, it cuts the time in half that they did have, but I still say 30 yards in one minute is nothing for this offense, and therefore 70 yards in two minutes is definitely manageable.
I guess the chance for error is increased, but we're also talking about a highly efficient offense not likely to make mistakes when the blitz can't even get to the guy in the speed of a no-huddle operation.
It's just hard for me to take a position that defends Belichick. He's a cheater and a jerk and he keeps getting away with both because his team wins a lot (by cheating, apparently).
So while I think you may be right that there wasn't a bad decision... while I think you may be right that he was banking on a Colts score and wanted more time left for his team... I can only say that I'm exceedlingly glad that he's being criticized for this and that his team lost to my team after this decision. After years of everything going the Pats way in this rivalry (they were 7 of 8 in the beginning), my team is finally holding their own (5 of the last 6).
To sum up: yay colts. boo belichick. yay bud adams flipping the bird like a horny old man, and boo to belichick. yay to the Titans win and the play of Chris Johnson, boo to belichick. The end.
After reading the latest Simmons column, I'm glad he went for it. And I'm glad the Yankees won. In Boston, it's like the late 90's all over again. Their despair keeps growing, and soon it will bring down their teams on the field. Feels like putting on a comfortable pair of pants you hadn't seen in years. Comfy...
Yeah, the Simmons article is like "the way you lose" matters more than losing itself.
It sounded like he would have been totally OK with losing that game if Belichick punted.
Boston just won 6 championships this decade. I guess it's not enough to erase all the big losses of the decade.
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