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This is fun: red states and blue states reversed, poor polling, hostage crisis, surprise at Republicans winning the south. A different age.
Labels: politics
So I despise celebrity culture, but I read Deadspin almost every day. Does that make me a hypocrite? A typical male? Enlightened? Discuss.
Instead of watching Palin-Biden last night, I watched Chelsea-Man U. Seemed a better fare.
I'm listening to all the songs on my ipod that I haven't listened to in the last three years. Man, is there a lot of Pink Floyd.
Hey Cubs: when you still believe in the curse, you are cursed. When you stop believing in the curse, you are not cursed. So stop having priests bless your dugout and walking a billy goat around the damn park!
The Wall Street Journal has a good article today on Obama's relationship with Ayers, which I wrote about in my earlier post. Look, I know it was a decade ago, but it's still close ties with a freaking unrepentant terrorist. You'll note that Obama never talks about working with the CAC.
I know McCain's no saint, but he's alright, and Obama... there's enough here to make me want nothing to do with him. Yes, the WSJ tends to lean right, but I think this is still pretty substantial. I hope people begin to read articles like this and take them into consideration come November.
Well done. This has some good research and it certainly shows Obama isn't clean on this matter.
Even if he took the job with the misunderstanding that the CAC was just all about education, he had to have learned the true nature of the organization, especially after so many years on the board, to the point of encouraging their practices.
If I'm part of a business that has shady motives, and I have free will to leave the business and don't, then I am supporting said business. And it's not like he was a kid or anything, so this can't be called a "young man's mistake."
This isn't an end-all factor to my decision in November, but it gives more definition to a candidate and I actively seek that when it comes down to the final decision.
Very interesting. I'm sick of both of the candidates. Fuck the speeches of how you have to vote. I could care less about either one of these guys, and it scares me to think that either one will be in the White House.
So what to do?
Well Jonathan, you could vote for Nader! I'm not too thrilled about either of them, as well, but I'll be voing for McCain. But seriously, if it were Hillary and McCain, I wouldn't see too much difference between them.
Chris, I agree, it's not the end all factor, but it's worth considering, no matter who you vote for. Just as you should look into the Keating Five stuff for McCain. The problem is, no one has heard about this Ayers stuff yet. I don't think Obama's fully vetted at all.
So far, this election has been pretty much a referendum on Obama, which is why most of my thoughts have been centered on him. My main fears (and yes, he makes me quite afraid), on top of having no idea how he would govern, are whom he associates with.
We all know, after it was finally too big to ignore, that he followed the awful pastor Jeremiah Wright. He has gifted himself, Jim Baker like, a seven-figure home built buy his own church, and has perhaps ruined a marriage of a woman that he's had an affair with. That's way over the top, and much worse than anyone McCain or Palin have associated with.
The next guy is Ayers, whom only Hillary has even mentioned. He was a terrorist from the Weather Underground who thinks they didn't go far enough. Here's more about him, including a bit about Obama. On this, I would need to learn more, but that's a part of the problem. The media have not looked into it. Maybe they're trying to find someone in Wasilla who heard Palin say a swear word one day or something horrible.
And the third is Rezko, who helped him buy his house just before being convicted for a felony. And no, most people don't know these names, because the press have no desire to report on them.
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Now to the other topic. I have a nasty, visceral reaction to hearing him speak. I am afraid of any politician who can speak like he can. I happen to strongly disagree with much of what he's saying - that the country is in bad shape or whatever - but I can't really blame him for bringing up topics that aren't easily disproven without finding certain economic papers. It's popular. But the love for the guy... it needs to be tempered. He's a politician, and one from Chicago at that, created and formed from that horrible political machine. Be careful what you make him out to be.
And now Palin has happened... and the right wing has its own Obama. Dems, you know that feeling of hate you feel for her? That's what I've felt for Obama from the first moment I heard him speak. I would ask that insults to her accent are stopped, because I think that's pretty damn close to being racist, but just some understanding past that would be acceptable. No woman like this has ever graced the world stage before, and I've known plenty like her. It's fantastic they have a representative.
I've been thinking the past several days after I felt such incredibly strong emotions during Palin's speech in Minneapolis. We really don't understand each other here. I have no idea why anyone would think Obama could be a great leader, and I have no idea how someone could truly hate a woman like Palin. So somebody learn me somethin' here; what am I missing about Obama? I would really like to hear. Let's make this something positive before something awful happens; emotions are getting pretty high.
Labels: Ayers, McCain, Obama, Palin, politics, Rezko, Wright
Well, certainly some things to chew on. I'm not sure I'm all that concerned about his past associations, especially since nearly everyone on the planet who makes contacts/friends is going to have a few who are linked to shady stuff. The question is, are the people with shady associations also shady?
I'm not sure what you mean by his speaking...is it annoying because he talks eloquently without saying much, or does it just creep you out on some other level?
Also, I'm searching for a little clarity on your last paragraph...a little vague.
I'd like to see these economic papers, and what their sources are that state we are actually living in better times than much of the media thinks we are (and believe me, I'm not a big fan of the media on the whole). What do we make of all the stuff happening with mortgages, job loss, and energy costs?
After watching Lou Dobbs last night, I'm beginning to wonder what the real agenda, overall, is of both candidates. There's just too much BS flying around. I just want proof and stuff that matters.
I hear you; that wasn't the best written thing, but I was just throwing out thoughts. The thing about the associations is that they aren't in the past; they are very current.
His speaking just creeps me out, like a leader from a less free state. And people buy it so heavily, like he's a Messiah or something. Do you have some idea of what I'm talking about? He doesn't seem to much like this country. But now Palin supporters are doing some of the same things, and it's starting to get to me as well, even though I really like Palin.
I'll post more in the future about the ecomony, when I have a bit of time. I will say that 6.1% unemployment is historically pretty good, with GDP maybe on the rebound with the second quarter at 3%. We'll see about the future, but currently we're pretty strong. Yes, it's slipping, but we've gone from freaking awesome to pretty average. And it frustrates me that nobody knows that. Let's hope we don't get much worse.
I'm just not happy with the state of either side today. The emotions that I'm seeing on both sides of the aisle are incredibly strong, and usually not rational. Nobody wants to debate the facts, just defend their own side. We are really far apart on this, approaching a fundamentalist's zeal, and I don't think that's healthy for a nation. I am afraid that some idiot's going to do something stupid to one of the candidates, if not in this election, then the next one. Hopefully I'm overreacting a bit, but it's starting to get ugly.
I'm with Mike on the whole "speaking creeps me out" thing. I have gotten this vibe for a long, long time.
I guess I want my president to be an eloquent speaker. But when all the eloquent speaking comes at campaign stops and as part of a calculated political agenda... it's even harder for me.
I suppose that public speaking ability has nothing directly to do with a person's ability to lead. But the Obama campaign has always seemed to me to be basically saying, "Look how eloquent our guy is, you should love him." And the specifics are lost in that message.
And instead of talking about his experience and his actual plans... we just get more rhetoric. Brilliantly delivered rhetoric, sure. But rhetoric nonetheless.
You don't hold your convention in an 80,000-seat NFL stadium unless you're purposefully trading on how much of a rock star your candidate is.
It's the same cult of personality stuff that bothers me with mega church pastors and televangelists. It feels like acting.
I'm sure it's just my reaction to it, and that not everyone feels that way. But I felt the same way with Clinton. People say Gore lost because he was boring, and maybe that is true, but I never got that whole "fake" vibe with him at least.
The real problem, of course, is that no candidate can be real. Everything has to be part of a carefully orchestrated ballet. Where they speak, what they say, who they pick as a running mate, how their logo looks... it's all something some marketing person suggested would be good for the perception of that candidate. So we're forcing them all to act... to censor themselves and follow some script.
If campaigns were movies, Obama would win an Oscar and McCain would go straight to DVD. But if they were documentaries... Obama would be called "too slick... not real enough."
First of all, I'm enjoying this. For someone like me that views these political events like a sporting event, it's a lot of fun. Dems will be unhappy that, instead of a healthy contest improving both
candidates, both are dragging each other in the mud. But it's still
certainly entertaining.
Now the Superdelagates have to ask themselves; which of the two is most likely to win in November? I generally think in terms of battleground states. Take a look at the map. Does it matter at all that Obama won the deep South and much of the Midwest? Who cares about a Democrat's popularity there? If any of these areas are in play in November, then the Dem candidate wins in a landslide regardless of who is the candidate. On the same point, who cares who wins California, Vermont, or Massachusetts? If any of these states are in play, then McCain has won 40 states on his way to 1600.
What really matters are the states that can swing either way, the ones we always look at in November. I'm talking about Ohio, Pennsylvania, Missouri, and Florida. I'm sure I've left out a couple more, but those are the big four that come to mind. Of the four, Hillary won the first three, and just barely lost Missouri two months ago. I bet if they had a do-over in Missouri she'd win there are well, but that's just a guess. So which of the two is the strongest candidate in a national election? I'm open to counter-debate, but I'd pick her for the moment.
Meanwhile, the Repubs are very, very lucky McCain was the winner. They need someone to distance themselves from Bush, and they have that. They need someone who appeals to moderates, and he is the best example in the party. He may be the only Repub that fits both roles. And it certainly doesn't hurt that he's a war hero. Look for the VP to come from one of the battleground states I mentioned earlier, leaving Huckabee with merely a speech in the convention, and maybe not even in prime time.
I also think that Obama and Clinton will sort it out before the convention, then make nice, and one will choose the other as VP. Things just seem to happen that way in politics, where it's all happiness and joy and short memories.
I'm sure some of this will look as good as when I predicted "The Colbert Report" wouldn't last six months, but I think I'm closer than some. I'll be voting for McCain, but not only because I usually lean right. I also want a split DC, and there's no way the Dems are losing either house of Congress.
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